BSierman >> (All): hello
Helen Tibbo >> (All): Hello!!
RobertDowns >> (All): Hi
Mark Conrad >> (All): Hello!
David Giaretta >> (All): Hi
David Giaretta >> (All): sorry to be late
David Giaretta >> (All): Any problems with what's on the Wiki?
Marie Waltz >> (All): hi all
David Giaretta >> (All): Hi Marie
David Giaretta >> (All): Any problems with what's on the Wiki?
David Giaretta >> (All): I was not sure whether I should have put in the C1.1.1.* metrics - I don't think they were officially agreed but I was not sure.
Helen Tibbo >> (All): Mark, what do you think of what we came up with on Friday?
Mark Conrad >> (All): I am still trying to figure out what happened on Friday.
JohnGarrett >> (All): Hi, Only looked briefly last week, but the materials on the web looked reasonable to me.
Mark Conrad >> (All): BTW, How did things work out on Friday. Were you able to get in and out ok?
David Giaretta >> (All): Yes, it all worked well
Mark Conrad >> (All): Good. Sorry that I had to abndon ship.
Mark Conrad >> (All): So what exactly are we supposed to be doing?
David Giaretta >> (All): There are actions for people on the WIki at http://wiki.digitalrepositoryauditandcertification.org/bin/view/Main/MetricsWorkingDocumentFollowingFaceToFace
David Giaretta >> (All): We said we would continue the weekly meetings just to report progress and discuss any problems.
David Giaretta >> (All): So no word-smithing on the metrics unless someone needs specific help
Mark Conrad >> (All): Ok. And this is all supposed to be done by the end of March is that right?
David Giaretta >> (All): Yes
David Giaretta >> (All): In principle those with actions should not have to create lots of text ...but..
BSierman >> (All): I offered to normalize the terminology, but this is not easy, some terminology I could gather together under one new heading. But what do you think would be the best way to phrase the evidence?
David Giaretta >> (All): I notice that we did not allocate you, Mark, and sections. I guess you can have your choise of which to work on - maybe B2 with Bruce?
Marie Waltz >> (All):  Barbara-maybe in some sort of a table?
BSierman >> (All): yes I made a table
Mark Conrad >> (All): Barbara,  What do you mean by "normalize the terminology"?
David Giaretta >> (All): The first step would be to gather similar names and then suggest a common term to cover all of that group
BSierman >> (All): And I combined all the documents in one sheet, put it in alphabethical order so that you can see the different spellings of agreement
BSierman >> (All): Normalize, I mean same word for same meaning
Mark Conrad >> (All): Ok.
BSierman >> (All): Shall I send this draft version to David to put it on the wiki (in a hidden corner) so that we all can see it?
BSierman >> (All): And work on it , of course
David Giaretta >> (All): Just attach it to the page http://wiki.digitalrepositoryauditandcertification.org/bin/view/Main/MetricsWorkingDocumentFollowingFaceToFace or send it to me and I'll do it.
David Giaretta >> (All): Or perhaps I can convert it to wiki-ish
BSierman >> (All): OK i'll do this later
David Giaretta >> (All): One specific thing that happened was that it seemed we could not split metrics into exhaustive sub-metrics
David Giaretta >> (All): So that caused us to approach the metrics a little differently - but only so in so far as we left more room for auditor judgement (I think)
BSierman >> (All): auditor judgement and repositories way to realize ti
BSierman >> (All): ity
BSierman >> (All): it
David Giaretta >> (All): By the way, are the notes of the meeting too cryptic?
David Giaretta >> (All): Perhaps we should said to Mark that the meeting did seem to go to schedule and we seemed to have completed everything we had to
David Giaretta >> (All): So complete the supporting text etc by end of March.
David Giaretta >> (All): Test the wording in the test audits in April/May
David Giaretta >> (All): Submit to ISO in May/June
Marie Waltz >> (All): I think the notes are kind of cryptic.
Mark Conrad >> (All): What decisions were taken concerning B.6.?
David Giaretta >> (All): We made quite a few changes as you can see from the tracked change version
BSierman >> (All): Because we focused on the preservation related parts
David Giaretta >> (All): Yes, although I think it probabky comes down to one or two metrics we removed for that reason.
David Giaretta >> (All): Bruce and others thought that would make it less attractive to some repositories
David Giaretta >> (All): Don pushed the point of focussing on preservation, which I tend to agree with
David Giaretta >> (All): But it seems to me that that may be something that we can take a view on in March since I am pretty sure that we are only taking about one or two metrics
David Giaretta >> (All): We also moved various metrics around - I tried to indicate where things had come from
David Giaretta >> (All): So - any specific problems with what's on the WIki or with the actions?
Mark Conrad >> (All): But you did not use the revised hierarchical version of B.6. as the starting point, is that correct?
David Giaretta >> (All): We looked at it but I think we agreed that it was distracting so we went back to the original
Mark Conrad >> (All): Ok. Just trying to understand what happened.
David Giaretta >> (All): Sure
David Giaretta >> (All): I'm fairly sure (he lied) that it was all logical and coherent
Marie Waltz >> (All): its progress
BSierman >> (All): At least we felt that way during the discussions
Mark Conrad >> (All): So I will contact Bruce about helping out with B.2.
David Giaretta >> (All): Yes
David Giaretta >> (All): If people do things on the Wiki we will all see the changes
JohnGarrett >> (All): Seems to me that we cut out a lot based on the preservation view.  At least in the Access area.
David Giaretta >> (All): If people edit the Word version (as some will prefer) then we will not see the changes until towards the end.
David Giaretta >> (All): John - comparing what we went in with to the current - it is a lot shorter
Marie Waltz >> (All): I think we should wait and see if we get any feedback from those outside the group
BSierman >> (All): Is there a moment in time where we will ask Drambora and nestor for comments?
RobertDowns >> (All): We might need to finish getting all the supporting text in place to provide the context for others to interpret the requirements.
David Giaretta >> (All): A lot of them are on the mailing list but feel free to point them at the pages and to email comments to the list. - Just seen Bob's comment - yes - might we as well to tell people to focus only on the metrics NOT the supporting text 
David Giaretta >> (All): sorry "might be as well"
Mark Conrad >> (All): I think Bob was saying exactly the opposite.
Mark Conrad >> (All): That you need the supporting text to understand the context.
David Giaretta >> (All): I meant that we cannot stop people from looking.
David Giaretta >> (All): But if we point people at the pages then they should be warned
Mark Conrad >> (All): Got it!
David Giaretta >> (All): And I guess we can put some "Work in Progress" images on the pages
Mark Conrad >> (All): A little slow on the uptake here this morning.
David Giaretta >> (All): SO - any specific problems? Otherwise we can use the rest of the time (45 mins) to work separately on our actions.
Mark Conrad >> (All): In answer to Barbara's question... If we are going to solicit comments from DRAMBORA and NESTOR it would probably be better to do that after March when we have all the supporting text in place.
David Giaretta >> (All): Yes - that would be best 
Helen Tibbo >> (All): I would agree with that.
David Giaretta >> (All): I'll put some Work in Progress icons on the pages
Mark Conrad >> (All): Ok. So are we done for today?
David Giaretta >> (All): Yes for me
Marie Waltz >> (All): Fine with me.
Mark Conrad >> (All): David, Will you post the chat?
David Giaretta >> (All): Yes
Helen Tibbo >> (All): Bye!
Marie Waltz >> (All): Bye all
Mark Conrad >> (All): Thank you. See you all next week!
RobertDowns >> (All): Bye
BSierman >> (All): bye

-- DavidGiaretta - 02 Mar 2009

Topic revision: r1 - 2009-03-02 - DavidGiaretta
 
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