Notes from Megameeting 14th April 2008


BarbaraSierman Koninklijke Bibliotheek, Netherlands
CandidaFenton HATII, Univ Glasgow
HelenTibbo UNC
JohnGarrett GSFC
KatiaThomaz INPE, Brazil
MarieWaltz Center for Research Libraries
MarkConrad NARA
RobertDowns Center for International Earth Science Information Network (CIESIN), U Columbia
SimonLambert STFC

The discussion was a combination of audio and typed chat.

Progress made: Changes were agreed to sections B1.7, B1.8 and B2.1 of the working document. Discussion of B2.2 started.

Next meeting: Continue with B2.2 and onwards.


  • All to make comments and B2.2 and onwards prior to the next meeting.

Simon Lambert >> (All): We were going to continue the discussion of B1.7.
KatiaThomaz >> (All): ok
Mark Conrad >> (All): I would propose to remove the paragraph that begins, "A key component of a repository's responsibility to gain sufficient control of digital objects is the point when the repository manages the bitstream."
Mark Conrad >> (All): Does anyone have any objections to removing this paragraph?
RobertDowns >> (All): I agree with your proposal to remove the paragraph that begins,  " A key component ..."
KatiaThomaz >> (All): no objections
Helen Tibbo >> (All): Sounds good to me and more clear.
RobertDowns >> (All): I agree as well
Mark Conrad >> (All): If there are no objections, I will make those changes. Should we move on to B.1.8.?
KatiaThomaz >> (All): i agree with Mark on B.1.8. It sounds strange...
Helen Tibbo >> (All): I totally agree with Barbara's comment for B.1.8. I thought for a minute I was reading some legal document that was deliberately obscuring the meaning. I like John's remedy. Always better to write from the positive rather than the negative.
RobertDowns >> (All): John's recommendation for changing that sentence seems appropriate
JohnGarrett >> (All): I also agree with Mark. We can just drop the phrase referencing Premis.
Helen Tibbo >> (All): Mark, there needs to be a "the" before "science team"
Marie Waltz >> (All): This is necessary in order to avoid misunderstandings between the repository and producer/depositor as to when this hand-over happens, --period here, not comma
JohnGarrett >> (All): With those 2 editorial changes, I agree it is done.
Marie Waltz >> (All): Yes please
Helen Tibbo >> (All): Yes
JohnGarrett >> (All): Yes, I think we agree with the B1.8 changes
RobertDowns >> (All): Yes, please change B1.8 too
Barbara Sierman >> (All): ok
KatiaThomaz >> (All): ok
Marie Waltz >> (All): OK
Marie Waltz >> (All): Let's go on.
KatiaThomaz >> (All): ok. congratulations!
JohnGarrett >> (All): B1.8 text is OK.  Next time we go in we can delete the comments to show they've been addressed
JohnGarrett >> (All): OK, thanks.
RobertDowns >> (All): It looks like there is still a comma at the end of the following B1.7 sentence: This is necessary in order to avoid misunderstandings between the repository and producer/depositor as to when this hand-over happens,
KatiaThomaz >> (All): Mark, "class of information", not "class of AIP"
Mark Conrad >> (All): Katia, Why not class of AIP?
KatiaThomaz >> (All): no problem, i only called attention to the original text...
Marie Waltz >> (All): Yes, I agree identifiable isn't necessary
Barbara Sierman >> (All): but "written"is may be a bit oldfashioned? something like well documented?
KatiaThomaz >> (All): identifiable could be addressable (is this word possible?)
Barbara Sierman >> (All): but the main goal is that you document it!
Barbara Sierman >> (All): could you summarize the changes Mark?
Barbara Sierman >> (All): I agree 
Marie Waltz >> (All): Me too
KatiaThomaz >> (All): me too
RobertDowns >> (All): I also agree
Mark Conrad >> (All): Ok. I will make that change. How about the Supporting text segment?
Barbara Sierman >> (All): The discussion text is very OAIS, might that offend some user communities?
Mark Conrad >> (All): Aren't we testing to see if their repository is "OAIS compliant?"
Marie Waltz >> (All): I didn't know OAIS was a problem for some. I'd like to know more about that some time
JohnGarrett >> (All): How about "This is necessary to ensure that all components of an AIP are captured and that they are linked to the primary data object."  I think the discussion could list the key components. 
Barbara Sierman >> (All): It is not a problem for me nor for my organization!
JohnGarrett >> (All): OK with me to list the key components.
KatiaThomaz >> (All): some problem with the audio. i can´t hear all the sentences...
Barbara Sierman >> (All): same with me
JohnGarrett >> (All): Mark your audio keeps dropping out for me.  Ok with parts I heard
KatiaThomaz >> (All): now it´s ok.
Barbara Sierman >> (All): Ok that was clear
RobertDowns >> (All): Mark's suggestion sounds good to me
JohnGarrett >> (All): OK.
Marie Waltz >> (All): I think bound together might not be loose enough, could we say connected to, or something along those lines?
RobertDowns >> (All): Perhaps "linked"
Mark Conrad >> (All): Linked works for me.
KatiaThomaz >> (All): "bind together" or "link" are ok for me
Marie Waltz >> (All): Yes thanks
KatiaThomaz >> (All): yes
Barbara Sierman >> (All): ok, i need to go now, hear you next time
Marie Waltz >> (All): What are we doing now?
RobertDowns >> (All): Reading B2.2
Simon Lambert >> (All): Is there a closing markup missing somewhere in B2.1?
Simon Lambert >> (All): I am using IE
Marie Waltz >> (All): I see it throughout the document and I'm using IE
Marie Waltz >> (All): Sorry, not the document, just B2.1
Marie Waltz >> (All): underlining
JohnGarrett >> (All): Are we removing the old This is necessary sentence?
KatiaThomaz >> (All): something happened. i can´t hear you very well
Simon Lambert >> (All): I think there is no closing </ins> after "There should be a definition of how these categories of information are linked."
Marie Waltz >> (All): OK
Marie Waltz >> (All): Katia's questions?
Marie Waltz >> (All): I'm out
KatiaThomaz >> (All): i think B2.1 only refer to Representation Information not PDI
Marie Waltz >> (All): OK
KatiaThomaz >> (All): B2.2. will complete the documentation with PDI
Helen Tibbo >> (All): Folks, I will need to miss next week as it's the SILS Board of Visitors' meeting that morning. I'll catch y'all on the 28th.
Marie Waltz >> (All): I'd like to stop here
Marie Waltz >> (All): bye
KatiaThomaz >> (All): ok thanks
Helen Tibbo >> (All): Thanks Mark! Good keyboarding!!

-- SimonLambert - 14 Apr 2008

Topic revision: r1 - 2008-04-14 - SimonLambert
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